08 November 2006

Pierre Trudeau on Quebec

This deserves to be reposted.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure the spelling is just a typo, not an insult. :D

November 08, 2006  
Blogger lance said...

I wouldn't jump to conclusions Suzanne. He was often referred to Turdeau, as well as a few other endearments, especially after he gave us the finger.


November 08, 2006  
Anonymous lizt. said...

I know a great many people out west, the whiners, never did like Trudeau.
I wish we had someone of his intellect again, because we need it. Ignatieff, I thought was, but apparently not. It was some in the Liberal party of Quebec, I think, that brought up that about the nation idea, and Ignatieff agreed....Oh how i miss that great intellect we had.

November 08, 2006  
Blogger James Bowie said...

Good catch

November 08, 2006  
Blogger Just another Liberal said...

It was a good post. It has great appeal to it. However, two things:

1) the thoughts are Trudeau's thoughts 25 + years ago. Canada and its people have changed.

2)the nationalism that he so speaks of, is what I would consider the academic use of the word. Meaning, nationalism as in all 'isms', which are regressive; they are totalitarian in nature;a concept I think most people can easily agree with - even Ignatieff. (the concept of a nation and nationalism are not one in the same)

Just to add: the question that Liberals are being asked now is not, "should we change the constitution to include Quebec as a nation?", but rather it is "Should we open up discussion on the matter of Quebec being a nation?". These are certainly not the same question. The former is an all encompassing and non deliberative one, and the latter is one of reality, recognition and admittance that ignoring the issue will not make it go away.

At the same time, thank you for the post, it was interesting and good to bring back some history of Mr. Trudeau

November 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I put together this video and I reeeeeally hope many more Liberals get to see it in advance of the convention. Thanks a lot for reposting it here, I hope more people share it on their blogs.

With regards to the comments to by "Just another Liberal," - do you really think the separatists will follow our instructions about whether the nationalism they promote should be ethnic or civic-oriented?

I wouldn't place that trust in them for a second. Remember, separatists like Boisclair, Parizeau, Landry and the like are not like any other special interest group that any party or government can simply appease. Their goal for Canada is clear, and their goal is its demise.

If we are going to recognize any sort of ethnic nationalism it should be of the French Canadian sociological nation, not the limited "Quebec" nation. And if we are going to recognize "civic" nationalism, why wouldn't that be (or why isn't it) a "Canadian" civic nationalism, armed with the powerfully inclusive tools of official bilingualism and the promotion of multiculturalism?

November 09, 2006  
Blogger Gavin Neil said...

Suzanne - OMG, it was just a typo. An embarrassing one. Can't change it now ;o).

Braeden - great video. Aslo I agree - I think we should recognize "the Quebecois", which does not include everyone in the province of Quebec.

JAL - The answer to both quesitons is no. And Canada has changed, but our proper aversion to -isms has not.

November 09, 2006  
Blogger Gavin Neil said...

I lied, I can totally change it now.

November 09, 2006  

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